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No nyt on nuo 100 lippuakin mennyt, meinaan lippupalvelu näyttää tampereenkin keikkaa täyteen varatuksi.kiden wrote:Aika hyvin menny Tampereenkin liput kaupaksi.Ilta-Sanomat wrote:Yhtä hyvin kävivät kaupaksi Kissin ja Iron Maidenin konserttien liput, sillä nekin myytiin nopeasti loppuun.
Iron Maidenia pääsee vielä katsomaan, jos jaksaa lähteä Tampereelle asti, sillä bändin Tampereen keikalle on vielä 100 lippua myymättä.
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Ross Halfin taas vaihteeksi pistää alta lipan Maideniin liittyen, arvostettavan rehellinen ja hupaisa äijä. Taisi jäädä lievästi äijälle hampaan koloon siitä parin biisin kuvausluvasta Matter tourilla...
May 10
Saw the new issue of Billboard which has, "GASP", an Iron Maiden special. Turns out it is a boring grovelfest from all the agents/promoters/merch companies etc, buying ads to show how wonderful Iron Maiden are. Biggest surprise is an ad from Kevin THE CAVEMAN Shirley with his blow-dried hair (copyright Bob Rock), he's used one of my photos with a nice credit. I'll have to find out how much they blackmailed him to buy an ad. At least THE CAVEMAN supports me...
If you want to get value for money Maiden, buy the new Guitar World Legends - all photos by me and it looks good. No boring features on how the corporate machine works. You can even learn a few riffs.
May 10
Saw the new issue of Billboard which has, "GASP", an Iron Maiden special. Turns out it is a boring grovelfest from all the agents/promoters/merch companies etc, buying ads to show how wonderful Iron Maiden are. Biggest surprise is an ad from Kevin THE CAVEMAN Shirley with his blow-dried hair (copyright Bob Rock), he's used one of my photos with a nice credit. I'll have to find out how much they blackmailed him to buy an ad. At least THE CAVEMAN supports me...
If you want to get value for money Maiden, buy the new Guitar World Legends - all photos by me and it looks good. No boring features on how the corporate machine works. You can even learn a few riffs.
Radio 957:n sivuilla voi nyt äänestää parhaan Maidenin levyn! Äänestäneiden kesken arvotaan lippupaketti Iron Maidenin 19. heinäkuuta Tampereen Ratinan Stadionin -keikalle, t-paitoja ja tuleva Somewhere back in Time kokoelma! Eiku äänestämään!
E: Nii joo se linkki
http://www.radio957.fi/?area=ironmaiden
E: Nii joo se linkki
http://www.radio957.fi/?area=ironmaiden
Mikäköhän se "Everything Right Now In Time"-kokoelma oikein on?SlayerXL wrote:Radio 957:n sivuilla voi nyt äänestää parhaan Maidenin levyn! Äänestäneiden kesken arvotaan lippupaketti Iron Maidenin 19. heinäkuuta Tampereen Ratinan Stadionin -keikalle, t-paitoja ja tuleva Somewhere back in Time kokoelma! Eiku äänestämään!
E: Nii joo se linkki
http://www.radio957.fi/?area=ironmaiden

Tuossa vielä Somewhere Back In Time traileri:
http://www.emi.fi/jukebox/play/908/some ... _-traileri
http://www.emi.fi/jukebox/play/908/some ... _-traileri
"You see, pal: Elvis can't read a contract. All he knows is: No Ferrari, no rides with the top down." - James "Sonny" Crockett
Ja eikun kansi ehdotuksia vaan tekemään, ne Rautaneidon taitavimmat piirtäjät!
Design Kerrang's Maiden tribute!
www.ironmaiden.com
As a tribute to Iron Maiden Kerrang! has persuaded some of their favourite bands to record unique covers of their greatest anthems, for an exciting free CD entitled Maiden Heaven. The tracklisting and details for this world exclusive release will be revealed next month and we want YOU to get involved too by designing the album's artwork!
Feel free to interpret the cover's concept in any way you wish by using any medium at your disposal. A K! panel will select the winner and contact them in due course. Your entry can be submitted as a high-resolution JPG (300dpi - 150mm x 150mm) and should be e-mailed to feedback@kerrang.com or alternatively, you can send in your original artwork, but please note it cannot be returned. The deadline for this competition is May 26.
What's in it for you? In addition to having your artwork adorn the cover of this incredible album, the winning entrant will also win a year's subscription to Kerrang!.
Design Kerrang's Maiden tribute!
www.ironmaiden.com
As a tribute to Iron Maiden Kerrang! has persuaded some of their favourite bands to record unique covers of their greatest anthems, for an exciting free CD entitled Maiden Heaven. The tracklisting and details for this world exclusive release will be revealed next month and we want YOU to get involved too by designing the album's artwork!
Feel free to interpret the cover's concept in any way you wish by using any medium at your disposal. A K! panel will select the winner and contact them in due course. Your entry can be submitted as a high-resolution JPG (300dpi - 150mm x 150mm) and should be e-mailed to feedback@kerrang.com or alternatively, you can send in your original artwork, but please note it cannot be returned. The deadline for this competition is May 26.
What's in it for you? In addition to having your artwork adorn the cover of this incredible album, the winning entrant will also win a year's subscription to Kerrang!.
Aika tuubaa.. Musiikki clipitkin perinteistäkin perinteisempään tyyliin 666, RTTH, Trooper ja yllärinä Can i play with madnessi. Ei mikään hirviän hieno ollut muutenkaan Eddie joka sieltä poksahtaa pyramidista ja ampuu laaserillaan, jotenkin liian "tietokonemainen".Samhain wrote:Tuossa vielä Somewhere Back In Time traileri:
http://www.emi.fi/jukebox/play/908/some ... _-traileri
Joo ja aikaa on just ottaa kynä penaalista kun summeri soi ja kisa on ohi... olis ollu kyllä hienoa tämmöseen osallistua, mutta voisivat nyt perkele hieman miettiä mitä kuvan tekeminen kestää...scorpions wrote:Ja eikun kansi ehdotuksia vaan tekemään, ne Rautaneidon taitavimmat piirtäjät!
Design Kerrang's Maiden tribute!
www.ironmaiden.com
As a tribute to Iron Maiden Kerrang! has persuaded some of their favourite bands to record unique covers of their greatest anthems, for an exciting free CD entitled Maiden Heaven. The tracklisting and details for this world exclusive release will be revealed next month and we want YOU to get involved too by designing the album's artwork!
Feel free to interpret the cover's concept in any way you wish by using any medium at your disposal. A K! panel will select the winner and contact them in due course. Your entry can be submitted as a high-resolution JPG (300dpi - 150mm x 150mm) and should be e-mailed to feedback@kerrang.com or alternatively, you can send in your original artwork, but please note it cannot be returned. The deadline for this competition is May 26.
What's in it for you? In addition to having your artwork adorn the cover of this incredible album, the winning entrant will also win a year's subscription to Kerrang!.
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asa wrote:Huomenna on ainakin Lahen alueen tilaajilla, irtonumeroista en tiedä milloin tulee kauppoihin, todennäköisesti kohtapuoliin jos kerran kesäkuun numero on.Samhain wrote:^Millos on luettavissa?
Jos kerran kesäkuun numerosta on kyse ja lehti on Soundi niin taitaa tulla vasta juhannuksen tienoilla ulos, sillä itselleni ei oo tullu vielä edes toukokuun numeroa, vaikka soundin kestotilaajiin kuulun. Voihan se tietenkin olla, että tuo toukokuun lehti kattaa myös kesäkuun lehden, kuten viime vuonnakin kävi kesä- ja heinäkuun lehtien kanssa. Eli kyseessä olisi siis kahden kuukauden yhteis numero. No innolla odotellaan kyseistä lehteä joka tapauksessa! Mahtavaa!!!

Maiden todistettu:
06.07.05 Hellsinki 14.11.06 Hellsinki
15.11.06 Hellsinki 20.06.07 Rooma
01.07.08 Pariisi 02.07.08 Pariisi
18.07.08 Hellsinki 19.07.08 Tampere
06.07.05 Hellsinki 14.11.06 Hellsinki
15.11.06 Hellsinki 20.06.07 Rooma
01.07.08 Pariisi 02.07.08 Pariisi
18.07.08 Hellsinki 19.07.08 Tampere
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Toni Brigatti wrote:^Kyllä toukokuun lehti on jo melkein kaikista kaupoista loppu. Lienee posti hukannut... Vai mitä Asa!
Kyllä se tuollakin huhtikuun numero vaan komeilee uusimpana lehtenä!

Maiden todistettu:
06.07.05 Hellsinki 14.11.06 Hellsinki
15.11.06 Hellsinki 20.06.07 Rooma
01.07.08 Pariisi 02.07.08 Pariisi
18.07.08 Hellsinki 19.07.08 Tampere
06.07.05 Hellsinki 14.11.06 Hellsinki
15.11.06 Hellsinki 20.06.07 Rooma
01.07.08 Pariisi 02.07.08 Pariisi
18.07.08 Hellsinki 19.07.08 Tampere
Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickinson Looks "Back In Time"
Bruce Dickinson made his live debut with Iron Maiden at the end of 1981. He had viewed the group's early emergence from a ringside seat as lead singer with Samson, another of the bands in what the rock press dubbed "the new wave of British heavy metal."
Since then, he has been not only Iron Maiden's definitive lead singer, but an author, sportsman, a solo artist for five years in the 1990s, a radio DJ and a pilot. Before the May 12 release of "Somewhere Back in Time," a compilation of the band's '80s hits, and in the middle of the most successful global tour of the band's career, which launched February 1 in Mumbai, India, he sat down with Billboard to discuss his, and Maiden's, life and times.
Q: When you joined Maiden, how aware had you been of the band?
Bruce Dickinson: We effectively grew up together, musically, because I was in Samson, and all the bands were aware of everybody else, we all gigged together. It's fair to say Maiden had this momentum about them. It was like standing in front of a truck. They had that energy before they got the deal (with label EMI).
Q: But that took quite a while to build, didn't it?
Dickinson: It did, but a lot of that was Steve (Harris, bassist and founding member) trying to get the personnel right, trying to get the commitment from people. Once the deal was signed, the press leapt all over it. "Running Free" came out, and it cunningly snuck in under the radar of all the punk stuff. They must have had to restrain Steve, because he absolutely hated punk. The first album ("Iron Maiden," 1980) went to No. 4, which was an astonishing feat for a band like that.
Q: What were the circumstances of you replacing Paul Di'anno as lead singer?
Dickinson: Things with Paul hadn't been going terribly well, and they'd made the decision to get rid of him. So they came and took a peek at me. Clive (Burr, Maiden's then-drummer) had been in Samson for three years, and (the album) "Killers" was being made at Zomba Studios (in northwest London), which back then was Morgan Studios.
We were in Morgan, and Maiden were in the (studio) opposite. So we used to go to the pub and have a few beers and chat. I went over and listened to the Maiden record and Clive would come over and listen to ours.
Q: Had you looked across at the band and thought, "I could do that?"
Dickinson: Oh, I did that the first time I saw Maiden play, in Camden (north London) at the Music Machine. It was like a four-act bill, we were supposed to be headlining and Maiden were third on the bill. They turned up and it was clearly their audience. Everybody left as soon as they'd finished.
I stood at the back watching and thought, "Christ, this is a great band. Imagine what I could do if I was singing with that band."
Q: It seems as though Maiden developed a common cause because the band members were, and still are, outsiders.
Dickinson: We are still outsiders. We always will be, because that's our essential nature. I can't imagine what it would be like to go to vacuous showbiz parties. It'd be a nightmare. It's just not what we're about. The show's the thing. Everything you need to know about Iron Maiden is onstage.
Q: How did you develop your personal stagecraft?
Dickinson: It's one thing to project a confident air to the back of a club. It's another to do the same thing in a theatre, then an arena, and it's quite another thing to do it in a festival. Before the days of camera and side screens, you were just a little speck. It was a rapid learning curve.
My aim as a frontman is always to try and shrink the venue, if you can, to turn that football stadium into the world's smallest club. At least you have to try. The essence of the Maiden experience is that we want to include everybody in it.
Q: When "The Number of the Beast" hit No. 1 on the U.K. charts in April 1982, it knocked Barbra Streisand's "Love Songs" off the top. It was almost anti-establishment.
Dickinson: Yes, we had a bit of a history of that. With "Bring Your Daughter ... to the Slaughter" (in January 1991) we did a service to the nation by knocking Sir Cliff (Richard) off the Christmas No. 1. I'm still waiting for my (royal honor as a) C.B.E. for that.
Q: You personally have always taken on challenges, whether it's fencing, broadcasting, being an author or being a pilot.
Dickinson: That's because I just have an insatiable curiosity about the nature of things, and I think the best way to find out about something is to try and do it. Flying wasn't on a list. It would be awfully good from the point of view of people writing about us if there was a plan, but there isn't.
The movie we're just doing ("Chemical Wedding") stems from conversations in the pub with Julian Doyle (Dickinson's co-writer on the film and its director) 15 years ago. As it happens, we're now having the most successful tour in the band's history, the band is a global phenomenon, and in the same year, we get to release a feature film, followed shortly afterwards by another feature film with a documentary, DVD, all the rest of it. ... It looks like a plan. It's not. It's totally random.
Q: So you're probably not very good at sitting around daydreaming.
Dickinson: I'm very good at daydreaming. Ask any of my schoolteachers.
Q: In the period when you were out of the band (1993-98), did your solo work fulfill you?
Dickinson: The reason I left Maiden was that I genuinely didn't know if I was getting that buzz anymore from doing new stuff. Nothing bad happened, there were no disagreements. The machine ran like clockwork, and that's when I started to get really antsy.
Also, the cult status of the band meant that whatever you did, people would go, in a patronizing fashion, "Oh, nice effort." I didn't think they'd have any problem finding another singer, but their subsequent career path hit a few oily patches on the road.
My own career fell off a cliff, and I decided I'd have one go at completely reinventing (myself), so everybody thought I'd gone raving mad, and I came up with an album called "Skunkworks" (1996). It got great reviews, but the record company wasn't sure.
Then I did a record called "The Chemical Wedding" (1998), which was digging really deep into territory I'd never been to before, but keeping a rock sensibility.
I think it's fair to say it was a fairly groundbreaking album, did really well sales-wise and I could see myself having a successful global cottage industry as an artist. Clearly it was never going to rival Maiden. But at the same time, looking at Maiden, it was obvious something was going to crack.
Q: How did you develop as an artist during those solo years?
Dickinson: I was a much deeper musician by the time I got to "Chemical Wedding" than I ever was during the latter two or three albums with Maiden. I was much more serious about it. Roy Z, who was my producer and collaborator, said, "You've got to go back. You've done it, you've changed yourself around, it's worked. But the world needs Iron Maiden."
And I thought, "It does." Then we had a meeting, myself and Steve. He was a bit leery at first. His main thing was wanting to know, if I came back, that I wasn't going to leave again. I said, "Quite the contrary -- if we glue it all back together again, we could do stuff that's better than we ever thought possible. It could be bigger than we ever dreamed of."
And that's pretty much the way it's turned out. It's a really exciting place to be at the moment.
Q: So how would you compare Maiden now with the group of, say, 25 years ago?
Dickinson: The way we play the songs now is in many ways more powerful, it's more under control. It's not like somebody running so fast that their legs are running away underneath them, which is kind of what it was like in the '80s. This is a mature runner now who knows the pace and has always got something in the tank for the sprint when it's appropriate. We've reached that sweet spot.
Courtesy of www.billboard.com
Bruce Dickinson made his live debut with Iron Maiden at the end of 1981. He had viewed the group's early emergence from a ringside seat as lead singer with Samson, another of the bands in what the rock press dubbed "the new wave of British heavy metal."
Since then, he has been not only Iron Maiden's definitive lead singer, but an author, sportsman, a solo artist for five years in the 1990s, a radio DJ and a pilot. Before the May 12 release of "Somewhere Back in Time," a compilation of the band's '80s hits, and in the middle of the most successful global tour of the band's career, which launched February 1 in Mumbai, India, he sat down with Billboard to discuss his, and Maiden's, life and times.
Q: When you joined Maiden, how aware had you been of the band?
Bruce Dickinson: We effectively grew up together, musically, because I was in Samson, and all the bands were aware of everybody else, we all gigged together. It's fair to say Maiden had this momentum about them. It was like standing in front of a truck. They had that energy before they got the deal (with label EMI).
Q: But that took quite a while to build, didn't it?
Dickinson: It did, but a lot of that was Steve (Harris, bassist and founding member) trying to get the personnel right, trying to get the commitment from people. Once the deal was signed, the press leapt all over it. "Running Free" came out, and it cunningly snuck in under the radar of all the punk stuff. They must have had to restrain Steve, because he absolutely hated punk. The first album ("Iron Maiden," 1980) went to No. 4, which was an astonishing feat for a band like that.
Q: What were the circumstances of you replacing Paul Di'anno as lead singer?
Dickinson: Things with Paul hadn't been going terribly well, and they'd made the decision to get rid of him. So they came and took a peek at me. Clive (Burr, Maiden's then-drummer) had been in Samson for three years, and (the album) "Killers" was being made at Zomba Studios (in northwest London), which back then was Morgan Studios.
We were in Morgan, and Maiden were in the (studio) opposite. So we used to go to the pub and have a few beers and chat. I went over and listened to the Maiden record and Clive would come over and listen to ours.
Q: Had you looked across at the band and thought, "I could do that?"
Dickinson: Oh, I did that the first time I saw Maiden play, in Camden (north London) at the Music Machine. It was like a four-act bill, we were supposed to be headlining and Maiden were third on the bill. They turned up and it was clearly their audience. Everybody left as soon as they'd finished.
I stood at the back watching and thought, "Christ, this is a great band. Imagine what I could do if I was singing with that band."
Q: It seems as though Maiden developed a common cause because the band members were, and still are, outsiders.
Dickinson: We are still outsiders. We always will be, because that's our essential nature. I can't imagine what it would be like to go to vacuous showbiz parties. It'd be a nightmare. It's just not what we're about. The show's the thing. Everything you need to know about Iron Maiden is onstage.
Q: How did you develop your personal stagecraft?
Dickinson: It's one thing to project a confident air to the back of a club. It's another to do the same thing in a theatre, then an arena, and it's quite another thing to do it in a festival. Before the days of camera and side screens, you were just a little speck. It was a rapid learning curve.
My aim as a frontman is always to try and shrink the venue, if you can, to turn that football stadium into the world's smallest club. At least you have to try. The essence of the Maiden experience is that we want to include everybody in it.
Q: When "The Number of the Beast" hit No. 1 on the U.K. charts in April 1982, it knocked Barbra Streisand's "Love Songs" off the top. It was almost anti-establishment.
Dickinson: Yes, we had a bit of a history of that. With "Bring Your Daughter ... to the Slaughter" (in January 1991) we did a service to the nation by knocking Sir Cliff (Richard) off the Christmas No. 1. I'm still waiting for my (royal honor as a) C.B.E. for that.
Q: You personally have always taken on challenges, whether it's fencing, broadcasting, being an author or being a pilot.
Dickinson: That's because I just have an insatiable curiosity about the nature of things, and I think the best way to find out about something is to try and do it. Flying wasn't on a list. It would be awfully good from the point of view of people writing about us if there was a plan, but there isn't.
The movie we're just doing ("Chemical Wedding") stems from conversations in the pub with Julian Doyle (Dickinson's co-writer on the film and its director) 15 years ago. As it happens, we're now having the most successful tour in the band's history, the band is a global phenomenon, and in the same year, we get to release a feature film, followed shortly afterwards by another feature film with a documentary, DVD, all the rest of it. ... It looks like a plan. It's not. It's totally random.
Q: So you're probably not very good at sitting around daydreaming.
Dickinson: I'm very good at daydreaming. Ask any of my schoolteachers.
Q: In the period when you were out of the band (1993-98), did your solo work fulfill you?
Dickinson: The reason I left Maiden was that I genuinely didn't know if I was getting that buzz anymore from doing new stuff. Nothing bad happened, there were no disagreements. The machine ran like clockwork, and that's when I started to get really antsy.
Also, the cult status of the band meant that whatever you did, people would go, in a patronizing fashion, "Oh, nice effort." I didn't think they'd have any problem finding another singer, but their subsequent career path hit a few oily patches on the road.
My own career fell off a cliff, and I decided I'd have one go at completely reinventing (myself), so everybody thought I'd gone raving mad, and I came up with an album called "Skunkworks" (1996). It got great reviews, but the record company wasn't sure.
Then I did a record called "The Chemical Wedding" (1998), which was digging really deep into territory I'd never been to before, but keeping a rock sensibility.
I think it's fair to say it was a fairly groundbreaking album, did really well sales-wise and I could see myself having a successful global cottage industry as an artist. Clearly it was never going to rival Maiden. But at the same time, looking at Maiden, it was obvious something was going to crack.
Q: How did you develop as an artist during those solo years?
Dickinson: I was a much deeper musician by the time I got to "Chemical Wedding" than I ever was during the latter two or three albums with Maiden. I was much more serious about it. Roy Z, who was my producer and collaborator, said, "You've got to go back. You've done it, you've changed yourself around, it's worked. But the world needs Iron Maiden."
And I thought, "It does." Then we had a meeting, myself and Steve. He was a bit leery at first. His main thing was wanting to know, if I came back, that I wasn't going to leave again. I said, "Quite the contrary -- if we glue it all back together again, we could do stuff that's better than we ever thought possible. It could be bigger than we ever dreamed of."
And that's pretty much the way it's turned out. It's a really exciting place to be at the moment.
Q: So how would you compare Maiden now with the group of, say, 25 years ago?
Dickinson: The way we play the songs now is in many ways more powerful, it's more under control. It's not like somebody running so fast that their legs are running away underneath them, which is kind of what it was like in the '80s. This is a mature runner now who knows the pace and has always got something in the tank for the sprint when it's appropriate. We've reached that sweet spot.
Courtesy of www.billboard.com
"You see, pal: Elvis can't read a contract. All he knows is: No Ferrari, no rides with the top down." - James "Sonny" Crockett
Suomalainen K-kauppa myy kyseistä lehteä. Ja ilmestyy touko 20 eli TÄNÄÄN. Itse tilasin tekstiviestin itselleni, kun lehteni on saapunut paikalliseen.Samhain wrote:Onko tuota Guitar Legends lehteä löytynyt mistään Suomen kaupasta/kioskista?
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Kiitokset tiedoista!!!jarmila wrote:Suomalainen K-kauppa myy kyseistä lehteä. Ja ilmestyy touko 20 eli TÄNÄÄN. Itse tilasin tekstiviestin itselleni, kun lehteni on saapunut paikalliseen.Samhain wrote:Onko tuota Guitar Legends lehteä löytynyt mistään Suomen kaupasta/kioskista?
Lähdenkin huomenna käymään kyseisessä puljussa.
Toivottavasti tärppää.
"You see, pal: Elvis can't read a contract. All he knows is: No Ferrari, no rides with the top down." - James "Sonny" Crockett
Tänään tuli tekstari s-kirjakaupastaSamhain wrote:Kiitokset tiedoista!!!jarmila wrote:Suomalainen K-kauppa myy kyseistä lehteä. Ja ilmestyy touko 20 eli TÄNÄÄN. Itse tilasin tekstiviestin itselleni, kun lehteni on saapunut paikalliseen.Samhain wrote:Onko tuota Guitar Legends lehteä löytynyt mistään Suomen kaupasta/kioskista?
Lähdenkin huomenna käymään kyseisessä puljussa.
, emme myykään kyseistä lehteä. Uusi tiedustelu toisesta paikasta. Ja heti nappasi, lehti tulee postiennakolla kotiin.
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