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Mikäs Kevinillä nyt on? Onko tullut uskoon vai onko joku Scooter tarjonnut miljoonan enemmän kuin Maiden?
Mikäs Kevinillä nyt on? Onko tullut uskoon vai onko joku Scooter tarjonnut miljoonan enemmän kuin Maiden?
Mitä ryppyisempi rusina, sitä makiampi maku!
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Kyllähan tuo Birchin Maran jälki on ollut kokonaisuudessaan vakuuttavaa. Hyvin on äijä osannut vääntää jokaiselle tuottamalleen levylle saundimaailman joka on sopinut hyvin tekeillä oleviin biiseihin ja saanut albumeihin aina omanlaisensa tunnelman. SIT ja Powerslave ehkäpä parhaimpina esimerkkeinä.
Eipähän Shirleyn tekemisissäkään sen pahempia puutteita ole ollut. Nuo uudemmat levyt ovat vain mielestäni saundeiltaan hieman kolkon kuuloisia.
Voishan se Roy Z tuoda Maideninkin sointiin jytyä, olishan tuo toisaalta ihan mukava kuulla minkä kuuloista tavaraa sieltä ulos pukkaisi.
Eipähän Shirleyn tekemisissäkään sen pahempia puutteita ole ollut. Nuo uudemmat levyt ovat vain mielestäni saundeiltaan hieman kolkon kuuloisia.
Voishan se Roy Z tuoda Maideninkin sointiin jytyä, olishan tuo toisaalta ihan mukava kuulla minkä kuuloista tavaraa sieltä ulos pukkaisi.
Kyllähän Birch teki hyvää työtä 80-luvun levyillä. Olishan se hienoa jos palaisi tuottajaksi, mutta tuskin lähtee, hänhän on ollut eläkkeellä jo jonkin aikaa. Kevin Shirley on ollut hyvä tuottaja. Uusimmat levyt kuulostaa oikein hyviltä. Ei ole tarvetta vaihtaa.
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in the goodness of humanity...
IRON MAIDEN FOREVER!!
in the goodness of humanity...
IRON MAIDEN FOREVER!!
Äänen sai Roy Z, mies on tehnyt todella vakuuttavaa työtä esim. Dickinsonin kanssa sekä Helloweenin "The Dark Ride" albumilla että olisi mielenkiintoista kuulla miten toimisi homma Maidenin kanssa. Siitä en sitten tiedä että sopisiko Roy loppujen lopuksi Maidenin tyyliin, mutta itse ottaisin sen riskin että kokeilisin. 

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Pakkohan tuota on komppailla. En oikein uskalla vielä sanoa kenelle tuo homma kuuluisi, mutta sen verran, että Harrikselle ei ainakaan. Maidenin kohdalla tuottajan pitäisi AGGRESSIIVISESTI puuttua juuri noihin sovituksiin. Muuten menee täysin taas The X Factor -meiningiksi.asa wrote:Martin Birch ehdottomasti. Kevin Shirley vääntää kyllä ihan pätevää hevisaundia, mutta minusta se voisi hieman enemmän puuttua biiseihin ja niiden sovituksiin, se on tuottajan tärkein tehtävä.
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Itse tykkään pitää Brucen soolouran (lue: Roy Z:n) erillään Maidenista, sen verran kivaa on että näiltä poppoilta tulee kahta niin erilaista ja silti upeaa materiaalia. Pelottaa että jos Maidenin musaan alkaisi tulla enempi Brucen kynän jälkeä ja vielä Roy Z:n tuottamaa soundia, niin jotain menetettäisiin. On hetkiä jolloin haluan kuunnella Maidenia, muttei tulisi mieleenkään soittaa Brucen soolokamaa, ja päinvastoin. Joten Roy Z pysyköön poissa Maiden-hommista.
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En tykkää kovinkaan paljoa nykyisistä Maidenin saundeista. Soolosaundit esimerkiksi ovat vähän mitäänsanomattoman "kovat" ja terävät. Itse tykkään Birchin aikaisesta Maidenista.Loistavia biisejä, loistavia saundeja. Minun mielestäni parhaimmat Maiden saundit löytyy Live afterilta ja Powerslavelta. Rankkuutta en kaipaa ollenkaan lisää. Selkeyttä ja "lihavampia" saundeja sensijaan kyllä. Voisi kokeilla jotakuta muuta tuottajaa, kuin Shirleytä.
Ääni siis Masalle.
Ääni siis Masalle.
Huolestuttavaa tekstiä brucelta.
Tulee flashbackkejä 1993 vuodesta
http://www.ironmaiden.org/showthread.php?t=67789
Intresting quotes from Bruce interview about TOS (Rock Hard, Greece, Iss.#1, July 05)
Two months after it was issued, the first issue of the greek Rock Hard magazine fell in my hands. To my suprise, there was an intresting Dickinson interview in it. Here are the most important stuff from it. The rest is about TOS, things we've read a number of times before regarding the album...
"Between us [Bruce and Roy] there is a very good chemistry. I can't explain it better, I just love him (in contrast with Kevin Shirley, who "sits on my throat" [that is the expression used in the greek text. It means "who irritates me"]!"
"I am very relaxed when working with Roy. He pays great attention to the guitars and the vocal lines and when the two don't sound in harmony, then he'll work on it until they do. Other bands, on the other hand... (pauses)... for example Maiden have never worked this way. Even when a part of a song didn't sound good or didn't sound in harmony with the rest, it stayed in the song"
"In the meantime I had accepted it, that there are many parts in Maiden songs which aren't sung too pleasurably but one way or another are a part of Maiden's music. This unflexible and tough elent belongs to the trademarks of the band and noone can change it. It's like somebody comes up to you and says: 'Hey guys, from the moment that you all play in Iron Maiden, you should all wear the same shoes!' And what happens if those shoes don't fit you? OK, maybe 'famous' shoes are confining. On my own album, on the other hand, I could try out anything I wanted to. When the shoes didn't weren't a perfect fit, we'd change into other ones. This doesn't mean that Maiden's way is wrong, simply that I didn't have the opportunity to adjust the songs to my voice. As is natural, I feel better about my own productions."
Tulee flashbackkejä 1993 vuodesta
http://www.ironmaiden.org/showthread.php?t=67789
Intresting quotes from Bruce interview about TOS (Rock Hard, Greece, Iss.#1, July 05)
Two months after it was issued, the first issue of the greek Rock Hard magazine fell in my hands. To my suprise, there was an intresting Dickinson interview in it. Here are the most important stuff from it. The rest is about TOS, things we've read a number of times before regarding the album...
"Between us [Bruce and Roy] there is a very good chemistry. I can't explain it better, I just love him (in contrast with Kevin Shirley, who "sits on my throat" [that is the expression used in the greek text. It means "who irritates me"]!"
"I am very relaxed when working with Roy. He pays great attention to the guitars and the vocal lines and when the two don't sound in harmony, then he'll work on it until they do. Other bands, on the other hand... (pauses)... for example Maiden have never worked this way. Even when a part of a song didn't sound good or didn't sound in harmony with the rest, it stayed in the song"
"In the meantime I had accepted it, that there are many parts in Maiden songs which aren't sung too pleasurably but one way or another are a part of Maiden's music. This unflexible and tough elent belongs to the trademarks of the band and noone can change it. It's like somebody comes up to you and says: 'Hey guys, from the moment that you all play in Iron Maiden, you should all wear the same shoes!' And what happens if those shoes don't fit you? OK, maybe 'famous' shoes are confining. On my own album, on the other hand, I could try out anything I wanted to. When the shoes didn't weren't a perfect fit, we'd change into other ones. This doesn't mean that Maiden's way is wrong, simply that I didn't have the opportunity to adjust the songs to my voice. As is natural, I feel better about my own productions."
No en tiedä onko tuo nyt NIIN huolestuttavaa, Bruce vaan sanoo, että pitää enemmän Roy Z:a kuin Shirleystä, sekä vertailee Maidenin ja omaa tapaansa työskennellä. Tottakai omat tuotokset kuulostavat paremmilta, koska ei ole muita puuttumassa. Maidenissa kun kuitenkin on eräs herra Harris, jonka peräänantamattomuus on yleisesti tiedossa.
"The nightmare corpse-city of R'lyeh was built in measureless eons behind history by the vast, loathsome shapes that seeped down from the dark stars. There lay great Cthulhu and his hordes, hidden in green slimy vaults."
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I have met a Brazilian journalist this summer and he told me that he had the opportunity to listen in Feb 04 to a promo track Kill Devil Hill. And after the listening he told Bruce 'wow, this sounds better than the whole DOD album'!
He agreed with it and he confirmed that the production of the last MAiden work was very bad.
And he had a big smile on his face when he saw that the journalist liked that much more the song/production from Kill Devill Hill.
tämmöstä löyty maiden foorumista.
Martin Birch takasin !!!
He agreed with it and he confirmed that the production of the last MAiden work was very bad.
And he had a big smile on his face when he saw that the journalist liked that much more the song/production from Kill Devill Hill.
tämmöstä löyty maiden foorumista.
Martin Birch takasin !!!

Joten tämän kanssa kun on taipuvainen olemaan samaa mieltä, niin eipä noille Brucen puheille kannata hirveää painoa antaa. Jokainen sen tietää, että Maiden ei loputtomiin jatka, piti Bruce uudesta tyylistä tai ei. Joten siinä mielessä kaikenlainen spekulointi asioiden olemisesta "huonolla mallilla" on mielestäni turhaa. Kyllä vähän veikkaan, että jos esimerkiksi vaikka nyt Bruce on Maidenista lähdössä lätkimään, niin se bändi loppuu siihen.Pertti Keinonen kolumnissaan wrote: Olemme lopun alussa. Seuraava levy on varmasti joko toiseksi viimeinen tai pahimmassa tapauksessa se vihoviimeinen Iron Maiden –studioalbumi. 30 vuoden ura olisi hieno saada päätökseen todellisella timantilla. Nykyisellä kokoonpanolla se on mahdollista, mutta vaatii kaikkien palasten loksahtamista kohdilleen biisien ja tuotannon kanssa.
"The nightmare corpse-city of R'lyeh was built in measureless eons behind history by the vast, loathsome shapes that seeped down from the dark stars. There lay great Cthulhu and his hordes, hidden in green slimy vaults."
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Täällä Kevin antaa Brucen kommeiteista palautetta!
_____________MondaySeptember26th2005 - Malibu, CA
I'm not working - so I've nothing to say. Read Ross' diary - its more fun anyway! He has dinner with fun people and stuff! I love Ross. Decided to move back to Australia next year - and I'm so excited about that! As soon as I have Caveman charm samples, I'l post a pic - and if you want one, go and and sponsor the bike ride challenge around Vietnam and Cambodia - it's for a great cause! Ross would never - he's so tight with his cash! He makes me buy the wine when we go out in Brazil! George Massenburg, Adrian Smith, and a host of others have promised, but they're gettin' nuthin' til their checks clear! Bruce Dickinson has been bad mouthing me in the press - but I still love him. You've gotta love a guy who speaks his mind - although he never paid up his sponsorship promise to me on the China ride - all the rest of the band did - and that's all I have to say, so stop sending me e-mails about it!!! Thanks......
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_____________MondaySeptember26th2005 - Malibu, CA
I'm not working - so I've nothing to say. Read Ross' diary - its more fun anyway! He has dinner with fun people and stuff! I love Ross. Decided to move back to Australia next year - and I'm so excited about that! As soon as I have Caveman charm samples, I'l post a pic - and if you want one, go and and sponsor the bike ride challenge around Vietnam and Cambodia - it's for a great cause! Ross would never - he's so tight with his cash! He makes me buy the wine when we go out in Brazil! George Massenburg, Adrian Smith, and a host of others have promised, but they're gettin' nuthin' til their checks clear! Bruce Dickinson has been bad mouthing me in the press - but I still love him. You've gotta love a guy who speaks his mind - although he never paid up his sponsorship promise to me on the China ride - all the rest of the band did - and that's all I have to say, so stop sending me e-mails about it!!! Thanks......
KevTheCave
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